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10/22/2007 11:53 AM Alert 

TOXIC PARENTS

Overcoming Their Hurtful Legacy and Reclaiming Your Life

Written by Susan Forward

 

Here is just one of the chapters from the above book that I thought some of you might find  interesting and helpful.

 

Chapter 9  “You don’t have to forgive “

 

At this point, you may be asking yourself, “Isn’t the first step to forgive my parents?” My answer is no. This may shock, anger, dismay, or confuse many of you. Most of us have been led to believe exactly the opposite—that forgiveness is the first step toward healing.

 

In fact, it is not necessary to forgive your parents in order to feel better about yourself and to change your life!

 

Certainly I’m aware that this flies in the face of some of our most cherished religious, spiritual, philosophical and psychological principals. According to the Judeo-Christian ethic, “To err is human, to forgive divine.” I am also aware that there are many experts in the various helping professions who sincerely believe that forgiveness is not only the first step but often the only step necessary for inner peace. I disagree completely.

 

Early in my professional career I too believed that to forgive people who had injured you, especially parents, was an important part of the healing process. I often encouraged clients—many of whom had been severely mistreated—to forgive cruel or abusive parents. In addition, many of my clients entered therapy claiming to have already forgiven their toxic parents, bit I discovered that , more often than not, they didn’t feel any better for having forgiven. They still felt bad about themselves. They still had their symptoms. Forgiving hadn’t created any significant or lasting changes for them. In fact, some of them left even more inadequate. They’d say things such as: “Maybe I didn’t forgive enough”; “My minister said I didn’t truly forgive in my heart”; or, “Can’t I do anything right?”

 

I took a long, hard look at the concept of forgiveness. I began to wonder if it could actually impede progress rather than enhance it.

 

I came to realize that there are two facets to forgiveness: giving up the need for revenge, and absolving the guilty party of responsibility. I didn’t have much trouble accepting the idea that people have to let go of the need to get even. Revenge is a very normal but negative motivation. It bogs you down in obsessive fantasies about striking back to get satisfaction; it creates a lot of frustration and unhappiness; it works against your emotional well-being. Despite how sweet revenge may feel for a moment, it keeps stirring up the emotional chaos between you and your parents, wasting precious time and energy. Letting go of your need for revenge is difficult, but it is clearly a healthy step.

 

But the other facet of forgiveness was not as clear-cut. I felt there was something wrong with unquestioningly absolving someone of his rightful responsibility, particularly if he/she had mistreated an innocent child. Why in the world should you “pardon” a father/mother who terrorized and battered you, who made your childhood a living hell? How are you supposed to “overlook” the fact that you had to come home to a dark house and nurse your drunken mother/father everyday? And do you really have to “forgive” a father/mother who raped you at the age of 7?

 

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that this absolution was really another form of denial: “If I forgive you, we can pretend that what happened wasn’t so terrible.” I came to realize that this aspect of forgiveness was actually preventing a lot of people from getting on with their lives.

 

THE FORFIVENESS TRAP

 

One of the most dangerous things about forgiveness is that it undercuts your ability to let go of your pent-up emotions. How can you acknowledge your anger against a parent whom you’ve already forgiven? Responsibility can go only one of two places: outward, onto the people who have hurt you, or inward, into yourself. Someone’s got to be responsible. So you may forgive your parents but end up hating yourself all the more in exchange.

 

I also noticed that many clients rushed to forgiveness to avoid much of the painful work of therapy. They believed that by forgiving they could find a shortcut to feeling better. A handful of them “forgave” left therapy, and wound up sinking even deeper into depression or anxiety.

 

Several of these clients clung to their fantasies: “All I have to do is forgive and I will be healed, I will have wonderful mental health, everybody is going to love everybody, we’ll hug a lot, and we’ll finally be happy.” Clients all too often discovered that the empty promise of forgiveness had merely set them up for bitter disappointment. Some of them experienced a rush of well-being, but it didn’t last because nothing had really changed in the way they felt or in their family interactions.

 

I remember an especially touching session with a client named Stephanie, whose experience illustrates some of the typical problems of premature forgiveness. Stephanie, 27, was an extremely devout born again Christian when I met her. At age 11, Stephanie had been raped by her stepfather. He had continued to abuse her until her mother threw him out of the house (for other reasons) a year later. Over the next four years, Stephanie had been molested by several of her mother’s boyfriends. She ran away from home at 16 and became a prostitute. Seven years later, she was almost beaten to death by a client. While recovering in the hospital Stephanie met an orderly who persuaded her to visit his church. A few years later they married and had a son. She was genuinely attempting to build her life. But, despite her new family and her new religion, Stephanie was miserable. She spent two years in therapy, but still couldn’t shake her intense depression. That’s when she came to me.

 

I put Stephanie in one of my incest-victims’ groups. In her first session, Stephanie assured us that she had made her peace and had forgiven both her stepfather, and her cold inadequate mother. I told her that if she wanted to get rid of her depression  she might have to “unforgive” for a while, to get in touch with her anger. She insisted that she believed deeply in forgiveness, that she didn’t need to get angry to get better. A fairly intense struggle developed between us, partly because I was asking her to do something painful, but also because her religious beliefs contradicted her psychological needs.

 

Stephanie did her work dutifully, but she refused to tap in to her rage. Little by little, however, she began to have outbursts of anger on behalf of other people. For example, one night she embraced another group member, saying, “Your father was a monster, I hate him!”

 

A few weeks later, her own repressed rage finally came out. She screamed, cursed, and accused her parents of destroying her childhood and crippling her adult years. Afterward, I hugged her as she sobbed. I could feel her body relax. When she calmer, I teasingly asked , “What kind of way is that for a nice Christian girl to behave?” I will never forget her reply:

 

               I guess God wants me to get better more than He wants me to forgive.

 

That night was the turning point for her.

 

People can forgive toxic parents, but they should do it at the conclusion—not at the beginning ----of their emotional housecleaning. People need to get angry about what happened to them. They need to grieve the fact that they never had the parental love they yearned for. They need to stop diminishing or discounting the damage that was done to them. Too often, “Forgive and forget” means pretend it didn’t happen.

 

I also believe that forgiveness is appropriate only when parents do something to earn it. Toxic parents, especially the more abusive ones, need to acknowledge what happened, take responsibility, and show a willingness to make amends. If you unilaterally absolve parents who continue to treat you badly, who deny much of your reality and feelings, and who continue to project blame onto you, you may seriously impede the emotional work you need to do. If one or both parents are dead, you can still heal the damage, by forgiving yourself and releasing much of the hold that they had over your emotional well-being.

 

At this point, you may be wondering, understandably, if you will remain bitter and angry for the rest of your life if you don’t forgive your parents. In fact, quite the opposite is true. What I have seen over the years is that emotional and mental peace comes as a result of  releasing yourself from your toxic parents’ control, without necessarily having to forgive them. And that release can come only after you’ve worked thorough your intense feelings of outrage and grief and after you’ve put the responsibility on their shoulders, where it belongs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10/22/2007 11:35 PM Alert 

This touched me in more ways than anyone will ever know -- thanks, mama!


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10/24/2007 8:33 AM Alert 
Thanks again mama.
This one gave me a lot to reflect on.
I am working on my share on this topic becuase it has had a lot to do with my process of recovery and had a direct impact on the quality of my sobriety and my life.

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12/08/2007 5:34 PM Alert 

wow , i need to get that book ! thanks for posting this clanmom

thats some heavy stuff  ive never been albe to forgive my parents for how they raised me i always told my self i would forgive them when i could forget and ive never been able to forget . there dead gone and i wish i could just forgive and forget  but i jus cant seem to get there.



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12/12/2007 8:48 AM Alert 

Hi Simba, it really is a wonderful book. I too like you had a very hard time forgiving my parents for certain things. Actions and situations that should have never happened to a child or in some cases an adult. It was a long process to be able to understand, acknowledge and validate it all. Over time I knew I would never forget those things however in the process of working through them with the appropriate resources and professional help I was able to understand, accept and forgive in a sense and was only then able to move away from the effects it had had on me. 

We don't choose our parents, nor do we ask for the unbelievable trauma alot of us have gone through due to there actions. My folks are still alive and I wrote a 12 page letter to them and that process was to help me,  not them, and was a means for me to let go of all the pain I carried for so long. Don't get me wrong though it would have been wonderful if they had answered what I had asked in the letter or even said I am sorry. The whole process  helped me to forgive them as people but not there actions, if that makes sense to you. It was only then that I could move forward with what I believed in and away from there affects on me.

I guess what I am saying to you Simba is that just because your folks have passed on doesn't mean that you can't heal. In my case my folks are alive but I still did not get answers from them, but what I did get was forgiveness for myself and self respect .

Take care and hope this made sense to you. I seem to have lost my flow of expressing things lately

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12/12/2007 9:50 AM Alert 

Simba, Mama and the rest of my family here on the realm.

It's been over a month since this thread was started, a month since I started writing my response to it. I've picked it up and worked on it a few times since then but it does not yet have that "its ready" feel. Those hours of working on it have been powerful moments of truth seeking and discovery.

I've used that piece as a touch stone for me, kind of a fourth/fifth step, or an anthem, to see if I have, or even if I can, forgive them, and what that means, in not just the action, but in what changes it has made in me.

It has become an important thing for me and, it seems, almost divinely timed. (Interesting how that happens for me).

While writing it and some of the other things I have posted here there is one thing that has become very clear to me. I have that family I was born into. What, if any choice I had in the choosing of them is a matter of metaphysics and not all that important to me right now. They were the hand I was dealt and the fodder provided for my growth, one way or another.

Then there is that other family, the one I have chosen to build around me, the one that has chosen to accept me. It is the one I want to be a part of and to share that communion of love, understanding, strength and compassion that is its daily bread. I have been blessed to find some of that family here.

I'm no longer surprised to find that so many of us come from "toxic parents" and that our childhoods were filled with trauma and madness. What I am awed by is that so many of us have made the choice to do the often painful work of facing up to that past, heal from it and use it to make us something stronger, wiser and more evolved than we could have been if we had allowed the past to hold us in a position of being the victim. We have chosen to recover instead of being the victim of circumstances.

I am proud of being a part of this, honored, it is the courage and strength I find in the others I share with that empowers me to continue on growing and learning.

Yes I was born to a "toxic family", but the one I live in is one of the most awesome group of people.

Thanks for being here.

 ya

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12/12/2007 10:00 PM Alert 
Posted By clanmama on 12/12/2007 8:48 AM

Take care and hope this made sense to you. I seem to have lost my flow of expressing things lately


It makes alot of sence clan momma and it made fine sence
ive never been good at putting words together at all  maybe we should start a ACOA meeting here on the realm or something, sounds like lots of us have troubles with toxic parents stuff



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12/13/2007 2:40 AM Alert 
Wow! Love the replies. I can relate to 'its ready' feel of which you spoke Hobie. Amazing the courage it takes to even reply to a post such as this. So many good replies. So many hurts, so many pains. Where does one begin to forgive self when playing out the past which carries over to the present of rearing our own? They came with no manual. I chose to 4give my mom, only after I dealt with 'me' and what I did to my own children. I believe we all desire forgiveness on some level. Some maybe for poor parenting skills, some perhaps for other reasons, but deep inside we all need to be forgvien for 'something'. That helped me alot when I really came 'too' that realization that I was guilty of almost the same things my parents had done to me. The other day I said to my grown son "You know I may not of been the BEST mother in this world, but I know I was not the worst." And today, I really believe that. Whether or not my children ever forgive me is really not the issue, it is, for me, my acceptance of the fact that it is 'their choice' to do so. Hope I am making some sense, I cannot seem to articulate well but from my heart's perspective, I know what I mean. Thank You Di, your a 'gem' and to the rest I say thank you all for being so honest and of courage. Recovery is not always about the alcohol (don't shoot me, I KNOW i'm an alkie) but about finding out TRUTH, the good, the sad, and the ugly....much love, Carrie

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12/13/2007 8:41 AM Alert 

Yes Carrie you made a LOT of sense.

It was facing the duties of being a father to my own sons that brought many of my childhood issues to a head. One of the hardest things there was that I knew what NOT to do. I knew I wanted the legacy of insanity and abuse to stop. I would rather be dead that to become the monster that my father was. I would rather have not had a family than to become a parent like my mother.

But how to be a real healthy parent? I hadn't a clue, and for someone who was raised to never admit that they did not have the answer that was an impossible situation to deal with.

Today I find some gratitude for that situation today, although at the time it was pure hell. It brought me to my breaking point where I was ale to ask for and accept the help I needed. It was the fact that I could not do to my sons what had been done to me that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

It lead me to accepting the alcoholism in my own life. It lead me to recovery. It made me willing to go to any length. It enabled me to want what you had. And it has fueled my desire to become the person I was born to be, not the wreck my childhood and my disease had set me up to become.

 


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12/13/2007 5:33 PM Alert 

Posted By carrie on 12/13/2007 2:40 AM
. Recovery is not always about the alcohol (don't shoot me, I KNOW i'm an alkie) 

thats right on the money carrie its not about the booze if it was when we stopped drinking we would just stand up and do everything right and have like no issues at all to get over ,

 its the -ism ive been told my thinking is just messed up 
( ask anyone that knows me and they will tell you that   

or somthing like that lol



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Note to self :  if your computer lags lol dont keep hiting the submit button


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04/04/2008 11:02 PM Alert 
Mama, thanks so much for this post and everybody else that has posted. I have been trying to "forgive and forget" and denying the anger I have for some members of my family and wondered why the anger kept coming back. I never alllowed myself to work through all these emotions. But after reading this, I know that it's okay to feel angry and "unforgive" people for a while. I did not know what I was doing wrong till now. Thanks so much.
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09/30/2008 8:00 PM Alert 
It is very hard for me to forgive, and what is much worse is that I know I shall not ever hear my mother actually taking responsibility--she literally can't do it, since she has four other personalities that love to deny, deny, deny...and it's always been like this. I didn't have this as harshly as some of your postings I have seen, and I feel like a real wimp in some ways when I read what others have experienced. When my mother was finally and accurately diagnosed, down to very real blackouts and switches in personalities, it helped me enormously to at least understand what the heck was wrong in my own life. I know what happened to her now, and I understand why she is the way she is, but it has never diminished my anger with her. I also have been trying so hard to 'forgive/forget' with her, but I think it's more important I validate my own feelings where this is concerned.

I grew up in a home where I never knew what was going on for sure. I would go run an errand for my mother (she has been in a wheelchair most her teenage and adult life) like a good caregiver, come back home with the errand done only to find she was enraged that I had been gone "so long". Her idea of discipline was usually to stand in my room "at attention" nude with all the windows and doors open. And it didn't have to be a bad thing I did either! If I was even two minutes late, or she "thought" I had been gone when I should have been home...she actually reported me as a runaway, though several people (thank GOD!) told the cops I had been in the house the whole time! Living with someone who has DID (formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder or MPD) as well as drug addiction and alcoholism was a living nightmare. Thanks to this post and all the others after it, I think now I understand the direction I need to go for help in therapy--no wonder that, at 18+ years sober--I'm STILL a mess!!! Thank you all so very much for the posts and the comments.
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