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05/18/2007 7:07 PM Alert 

Does anyone have any ideas, suggestions, etc to help cope with anxiety attacks?  There seems to be no reason or logic to when they hit...they wake me up during the night (that is if I actually manage to fall asleep), I get them sitting here at the computer and it basically sends me running, I get them playing games, etc.  I feel like I'm living in a constant state of pure terror, feels like my heart is going to explode out of my chest. 

I just don't know what to do anymore.  I just want it all to end!!

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05/18/2007 8:45 PM Alert 
(((((Ma'iing)))))

Not trying to be a smartass, but have you talked to your doctor?  My only reason for asking is that some medications (even anti-depressants) can actually cause anxiety/panic attacks, as can hormones.

I had never had a panic attack until I had taken Zyban (another name for Wellbutrin) for about 2 weeks.  I still get them on occasion even though I no longer take Zyban or Wellbutrin, but not as severely.

I have also had hot flashes due to menopause that actually felt like panic attacks.

Barring medication, the only thing that sometimes works for me is to take a deep breath, hold it for a count of 3, then exhale slowly.  I keep doing this until the feeling subsides. 

I truly sympathize -- panic attacks are very scary, especially when they don't seem to be triggered by anything in particular.

Be the change you wish to see in the world ...Gandhi
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05/18/2007 9:11 PM Alert 

(((( Ma'iinganikwe )))) I am sorry you are dealing with bad anxiety attacks. I too have them badly and cant get them under control. I hope it is okay I post this here and maybe it can help you and others also.

Panic Attack Coping Tips

Having an anxiety disorder can often lead us to feel as though we have very little power over panic attacks and our anxiety. Finding ways to help  yourself can be one way of bringing back a little more control and  minimizing the affect panic has on us.  Not all of the techniques  below will be personally suited to everyone. The key is to find  the techniques that work for you, and that help you cope with your anxiety disorder.

What to do if you are having a panic attack.
 
There are a number of things you can do to help ease a panic attack and to stop some of the symptoms. Try some of the following -

   
* Cup your hands over your mouth and nose and breathe slowly. This works in the same way as breathing into a paper bag but its a lot more discreet.


* Take a long slow breath in, hold to the count of 7,  slowly let it out. Follow with a few normal breaths. Then  repeat as necessary. This also helps with hyperventilation. It also feels some what comforting if your breath feels short and high in the chest.


* Re-assure yourself. Try not to add fearful thoughts on top of the anxiety such as 'I'm going crazy', 'what if I cant leave here' or  'what if someone sees me like this'. Instead try and think about the  reality of the situation. For example, try telling your self 'I have been through this many times and nothing bad has happened' or 'it's o.k. this is just my bodies normal reaction to anxiety,  nothing more.


* Lower your gaze. Often when we are panicking the stimulus from all around us seems overwhelming. Light seems brighter, noise  louder etc. One good techniques is to lower your gaze towards the floor or ground until your panic has passed sufficiently.


* Talk to someone. Often being reassured by someone or just  making a little contact can not only distract us from the panic but also can make us feel safer and less alone. Hugging someone is even better. Touch is very comforting and reassuring.


*Listen to music. If you are at home or have headphones or a car stereo. Put on some relaxing ,or other, music that makes you feel good.  Lie down and do some breathing exercises. Let yourself relax.


* Move your focus but in a positive way. try and read, watch something  on t.v or perhaps write in a journal. Don't just stay still and focus  on the symptoms.


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Realize that you have probably gone through this  many times, even hundreds of times. It has never hurt you, nor have the horrible things that come to your mind while you are panicking ever happened. Trust that the symptoms caused by panic attacks are just your fight or  flight response.  It wont harm you. It is just your bodies way of reacting to anxiety. There is nothing wrong with you physically, or mentally.  It will pass.


* Don't add more stress, or feelings similar to panic, by having  caffeine, nicotine, or other recreational drugs. While these  things are definitely not recommended to anyone who has a anxiety  disorder (nor to most other people)  Especially don't use them while  you are having a panic attack you will only make yourself feel  more anxious.


* If you feel while you are having a panic attack that you have  shortness of breath or heart palpitations. Try sitting in front of  a fan or an open window for a while. The breeze will ease this and ease your worries about your breathing.

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05/20/2007 8:41 AM Alert 

About 2 months ago, I went to my doctor and told him that I have trouble sleeping, that I so tired that I just sit and cry.  Sleeping has always been an issue with me, on a good night, I might get 3-4 hours of sleep, but I usually just get 1-2 hours.  I also asked him for something to help with my arthritis.

My doctor writes me two scripts, one for celebrax (for the arthritis) and the other trazadone (to help me sleep).  He told me to take the trazadone about an hour before bed.  This was on a Friday.  I had to work the Saturday, so I didn't want to take the trazadone that night because I wasn't sure how I'd react to it.  I did take the celebrax though.

I took the celebrax and then read the information that came with it - I know, backwards.  There are 3 major counter indications that if you have you shouldn't take celebrax:  asthma (which I have), blood problems (terminal blood and blood vessel disorder) and heart problems (15-20 heart attacks in the last 12 years).  So needless to say, I didn't take it the next day and I was (and still am) a tad pissed off with my doctor!!!

Saturday night, I took the trazadone about 10:30 that night.  I finally fell asleep Monday night for about 20 mins.  I know that some medications take a while to get into the body's system and work properly, so I kept taking it.....for 2 weeks and 2 days.  In that time period, I got maybe 10 hours sleep total!!!  I got hit with major anxiety attacks, depression so bad that all I could think about was killing myself.  I'd sit at work or at home and just cry, tears would just run down my cheeks, for no reason that I could think of.

It took me 3 weeks to get off the trazadone to keep the withdrawals minimal.

So, I haven't been to my doctor since, and I have no intention of going back to that quack.  We have a shortage of doctor's here, over half the population do not have a family physician.

Menopause has also struck - I'm 41 years old.  I've had my moontime 3 times in the last 6 weeks, each one lasting a week.

I don't know what to do anymore.  I'm so frustrated with everything that some days I wonder why I should even bother going on.

Sorry for rambling.

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05/20/2007 9:03 AM Alert 
I dont know how to help
except leaving some hugs and maybe asking if you tryed any herb stuff my dads big into herbal medicine things he used to make this stuff to help me sleep if you want me to find out for you what was in it let me know. for some people they work.


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05/20/2007 9:24 AM Alert 

O'siyo Simba,

Miigwetch for the hugs - always needed and always welcome.

I already use some herbal remedies:  white willow bark tea to help with pain management, cedar to boost immune system, eucalyptus for lungs, etc.  I also smudge daily using mainly Sage and Sweetgrass.

I would be interested in any suggestions or ideas your father might have.  I consult with the Elders on some different remedies, herbs, etc., and am always looking for more, if not for my own personal use then for others.

Miigwetch wendaam.

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05/20/2007 12:51 PM Alert 
(((((Ma'iing)))))

I don't blame you at all for not going back to that doctor.  Do you have a GYN? Since menopause has set in, maybe hormone replacement therapy might help.  I know HRT isn't for everyone, but I know it helped me.

I wish there was more I could do or offer as suggestions, but since I never got the MD after my name, this is the best I can do other than offering hugs and prayers.

Be the change you wish to see in the world ...Gandhi
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05/21/2007 9:33 AM Alert 

Ma'iing... please go and talk to someone about the menopause. That is still something I have not experienced, however I have seen and talked to so many women who were afraid to find out about it and suffered so needlessly. It can really fark with your head!

I'm sure someone has already told ya, but just in case they haven't, this is the breathing exercise I was taught for my anxiety. When I was newly sober I had terrible anxiety, some days I could barely leave my house.

Sit in a comfortable position or lay down if you can.

Breathe in deeply through your nose, sucking in all the air you can.

Hold for the count of 3.

Blow out all the air, through your mouth and listen to the sound of the breath leaving your body.

Imagine that the sound of your breath, is your anxiety. It is slowly leaving your body with each outward breath.

Do this for about 5-10 minutes and then see how you feel. If you practice it when you are not in panic (about 10 minutes each day), it will take less and less breaths to bring you out of a panicked state. 

I also keep something in my pocket to rub when I start to feel those feelings in my tummy. Usually a walk or my AA chip. By reaching my hand in and feeling it, I am reminded of reality, and can start to take my thoughts away from the panic/anxiety.

I love ya lady. I hope you get to the doc about the menopause at least!


And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud
was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. ~~~Anais Nin


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05/21/2007 7:48 PM Alert 
Posted By Gkathy on 05/21/2007 9:33 AM

I also keep something in my pocket to rub when I start to feel those feelings in my tummy. Usually a walk or my AA chip. By reaching my hand in and feeling it, I am reminded of reality, and can start to take my thoughts away from the panic/anxiety.



 

 

 

Thanks Kathy. I was told to do this but had forgot thanks for sharing it.

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05/24/2007 9:29 AM Alert 

Hi Ma'ilinganikwe.  I've read most of your posts and think you are great. 

I'm not a Doc. but have had sleep problems on and off over the years.  I also have some experience with menopause;  that is as loving husband trying to sooth and wife going thru it.

I would follow the advice given alread.  You might need to "get some hormones".

Google/ melatonin.  This is a chemical our bodies produce and in women it may be reduced during menopause.  This is a "help sleep" chemical. Off the shelf at most Rx.  READ the label first, please.

Chocolate?  Small amount is said to produce a calming effect.

A hot bath with low lights and soft music or sounds.  Listen to the music/sounds and see them in your head.  A scented candle.  (ya girls, I've done it.)  Stay in as long as you want.  Take the phone off the hook.  Lock the doors.  Do Not Disturb sign. 

When you are ready... have your bedroom ready for you.  Low lights, scented candle (keep it safe.)  Many alarm clocks now have some great sounds; ocean, streams, breezes in the trees, etc.  Let the scents and YOUR music/sound enter and see it.

I wish you well.  And I thank YOU.   Ringo

 

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05/24/2007 10:23 AM Alert 
P.S. Some people like to watch a fire or candle, the random flickers and shadows may be soothing. DO NOT GO INTO THE LIGHT.
Also, a small quite fan? Gentle breeze as you strole down the center of the red road with you music/sounds. Munchkins not allowed, they have thier on road. Ringo
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06/02/2007 4:34 PM Alert 
know what you're going thru, Ma'iing, I suffer from anxiety and last few weeks have had major panic attacks like I have never had before in my life. I wake up with chest pains, and I tell myself this is panic or more like "terror" attack, but
I tell myself I've lived through it before and I'll get through it again. As shakey as I may be, writing down whatever I feel helps, as does breathing. I mix oils and have a mixture that is orange oil and grapeful oil, it is calming to me. I do yoga now, it helps prevent attack. There are medications meant for other conditions that help panic attacks, too.

Now I'm no MD either, but Inderal (BP Med) and Geodon help me tremendously. But find a good doctor and see what he says. I have a psychiatrist that also practices as internist, so he is more knowledgable about the mind-body connection. I read "The Dailey Motivator" (link is on Home Page here) and concentrate on the pics of nature and the calming words. I don't know if this will help you, but you have helped me by sharing this, sometimes I feel like I am all alone with this problem. But now I know that I'm not. vkathy
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06/04/2007 7:04 PM Alert 

Do you ingest any artifical sweeteners?

Aspartame, Splenda, Nutrasweet etc . Some say they can result in Panic attacks.

Check out the following link for more information or Google Aspartame Poisoning.



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06/04/2007 10:29 PM Alert 
hugs for maaiggg, please take the suggestion offered here re: seeing doc.....have them hormone levels checked. I did not know how bad i was until I went to the doctor and had the hormones checked....your symptoms sound very familiar, and when I did get some estrogen in me, it was like a miracle for me.......i had memory loss, severe anxiety, mood swings, nite sweats, rapid heart beat, omgosh hon, it was awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Many hugs to you and remember, menopause affects women much differently, none of us are alike....some sail thru it, others, simply dont, and thats ok...the best news is.......THERE IS HELP..... love ya maiggg (one day i swear i'm gonna spell it right) hugs

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02/12/2008 3:56 PM Alert 
Well, I thought I pretty much had this problem licked, but these anxiety/panic attacks have come back. I thought it was due to a situation where I have a hard time getting in touch with my doctor, but I don't think that's the whole story, as I did get the situation somewhat resolved and out of nowhere I start getting overwhelmed, anxious, for no reason. I woke up at 5am this morning and my heart felt like it was pounding so hard that it was coming out of my chest. I'm a little better, but not a lot. If I have medication or I don't have medication, it doesn't matter. The things that used to help me before (yoga, meditation, inspirational reading, deep breathing) don't help because I can't do them when I am having a panic attack. I hope this passes, but I am having a real hard time with it right now.
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02/14/2008 12:12 PM Alert 

HP's sense of timing is an interesting thing...

For me winter triggers a LOT of stuff and there are a few other things going on for me that have brought back some anxiety/panic reactions.

One bad one for me happened last week:

The winter wind was blowing outside and I was snuggled in bed, still frigid from being outside (I had just cleared and salted the drive so we could get out the next morning) - trying to nod off feeling some of those old feelings/memories. One of the cats clawed my hand, probably either playing or kneading, but for a moment I was back in my childhood and the image/memory of a rat trying to bite flashed and I reacted!

The cat got tossed, my wife got an abrupt awakening and it took me a while of self-talk, tiring to be mindful (takes a lot of practice for that one) and self-nurturing (as well as some from my Rue) to get me to calm back down.

At first I reminded myself where I was and that what I was going through was just a moment in my life and that it would pass.

That may sound funny to need to say that to myself, but in the childlike mind that is at the core of so much of my PTSD/depression hearing a message like that helps me get rooted in my "inner adult", where all those assuring, mature and sane messages and healthy actions have been etched by repetition.

I snuggled up to Rue, we have been through enough of my rough times together and we have talked about it to the point where she understands what is going on and how to deal with it. Having her there helps a lot even on those occasions where I'm too freaked to let her touch me (it's been a few years since one of those episodes).

Before her I had other comfort items, including a teddy bear that was given to me by a couple of sisters in recovery who were also Adult Survivors and understood.

I can macho with the best of them, I'm a submarine service vet, been on both sides of a gun, done all the hurrah crap I could.

Snuggling with a teddy bear was not easy, allowing myself to become that venerable/small too more guts than rock climbing or skydiving. But it helped. I still have comfort items, including the bear and a blanket Rue made for me. The cats (most of them at least) and 115 pounds of German Shepard make for great comfort items as well. I've spent many hours petting, sometimes snuggling, talking or just sharing space with my furry angels.

Sometimes if I can see what the trigger for the anxiety attack is I can look at it, talk about it with my sponsor, journal about it. Expressing the thoughts and feelings, especially with another human that understands, helps take the power away from the trigger and allows me to deal with the causes and conditions (sound a bit like steps 4/5?).

There are those times as well when I haven't a clue what has set me off, but even then just talking or writing about it deflates the power behind the attack.

Sometimes I will fill a tub with hot water, sprinkle in some of my oils (I love jasmine because it calms me, eucalyptus helps me breathe and cinnamon/cassia bark helps me concentrate. I'll climb in with a novel that can carry me away (I love epic fantasy and adventure) and let myself get lost in it. I might put on some tunes.

I drink warm teas, usually with honey, or slow sip spring water. Sometimes I'll eat a little comfort food, for me those include oatmeal, cream of wheat, raisins, fresh fruit, dark chocolate, and (believe it or not) sardines and black olives (if you want me to explain those post me and I will).

When I do eat them I take my time, being as conscious of what I'm doing while I'm making them, telling myself I'm doing it for me, that I'm worth it, that these are gifts of Creator and remembering good times I have and where these foods were a part of my life. I eat them slowly savoring the flavors, smells, tastes, textures and memories that come with them and allow them to carry me to another place.

I try to avoid sugar, artificial sweeteners, caffeine, high fructose corn syrup or other things that might make me more agitated.

When I would get hit in public places, (hasn't happened in a while) I grip my sobriety coin like an anchor, chant the serenity prayer, or distract my mind until I can get to a "safe place". I've had to pull off of the road, put on calming or soulful music (Janis is great for this for me) and occasionally make “that phone call” from the road.

Taking my inventory at that time, a full inventory helps. Identifying all of what I am feeling, sensing, thinking, remembering, experiencing... physically, emotionally, spiritually, mentally... so that I can see what has me pulled out of balance or where I have a need that is unmet, is often key to me understanding myself and sometimes enables me to see a way to a solution, hopefully permanent, to my issue.

There are those times where the anxiety attack was too massive for me to do much more that hunker down and endure. If I can remind myself that I have survived dark moments in the past it helps. Praying, even if I feel like I'm just talking to the ceiling, will carry me through some of those.

One of the toughest for me was just letting go of it. Fighting the panic, fear, anger, memory, insecurity or what ever else is disrupting my serenity just seemed to give it all the more power, makes it last longer. Sometimes just sitting there shaking, crying or what ever else I was resisting vented the feeling and allowed me to move past it. But I needed to allow it to pass and not hang on to it (wow sounds like 6/7).

Many times I needed to take action to deal with the trigger. Set boundaries, tell/show someone I’m sorry, seek truths through research, learn something new, try something different… amend what I’ve been doing and what I’ve been living (8/9 anyone?).

There was a time I needed medication, took it under the direction of a Ph.D. for several years. I went to counseling.

Looking back to Ma's posts, if I did not have the help near me, I would have to seriously look at doing what I need to do to move closer to it.

One major part of it for me is doing the work I need to when I am not in a panic attack to grow stronger and get better in the here and now (10/11?). The time to pack you reserve chute is not after you’ve been pushed out of the plane! Do your homework!

For me there was a time my anxiety/depression overwhelmed me and I could no longer function. This came to a head when I was about 10 years sober. I did not pick up a drink or a drug over it (although there were moments where that was very possible). I did call people in the program and allowed Powers Greater than myself to take over. I let people in the fellowship carry me when I could not carry myself anymore, I went to the VA hospital, I worked with the P Shrinks and was as honest as I could be, I let my ego down so help could come in… and I prayed as if my life depended on it (it did). (1,2 & 3)

This is the most important part...

Through getting the help I needed, medically, mentally, emotionally, continuing to work the principles in all my affairs (and going back to learn how to just that) and experimenting to find what did and did not work for me and doing what I needed to get through it one day (sometimes second) at a time, I have gotten much better.

I do not have the panic attacks as often or as bad, I can deal with flashbacks my more effetely and they are losing their power over me, I can feel my emotions more clearly and they rarely overwhelm me anymore. There is hope and no matter what you are going through if you do what you need to go through it, instead of avoiding, controlling, or escaping it like I used to, it will get better. I am getting better. You can too. (Was this 12?)

your brother trudger

hobie


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02/16/2008 8:42 PM Alert 

my suggestion would be to drink decaffinated drinks less sugar and pending what state

you are in to take lots of walks where i live it is very cold and not much enjoyment to being

outside. Reading is very good in between meetings talking to your sponsor and eating as close

to a healthy diet as possible.

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